'Fringe' recap: Olivia and Peter as children, Walter and Walternate as equals

For a while now, we’ve known — from clues dropped; from flickers of behavior; from good guessing — that both Walter and Walternate are not mere good vs. bad opposites. This week’s Fringe let us know how close the two universes’ Walters are, in one of the most moving and revelatory episodes in the series’ short history. Set in 1985, the episode titled “Subject 13″ portrayed Peter and Olivia as children (and very well-played, too, by Chandler Canterbury and Karley Scott Collins). Pre-credits, we saw a young Peter standing on the ice-covered Reiden Lake, a rope around his waist, a block of stone tied to the other end, trying to smash his way into the cold water. This was the same site, of course, where the Observer saved Peter from drowning, and the same area from which Walter pierced the universes to steal the “other” Peter back to our side. What was also immediately established in these opening moments was the idea of extreme emotion (another key theme of “Subject 13″) — little Peter was so upset, so maddeningly confused at having been brought to our world without explanation from these alternative versions of his parents, Walter and Elizabeth, that he was willing to brave icy depths in a mistaken attempt to, as he put it in a note, “go home,” to reach, as he said later, heartbreakingly, “the other world at the bottom of the lake.”

“Going home” had another meaning entirely to young Olivia — for her, it meant returning to a house ruled by an abusive stepfather. Unlike Peter, she never wants to go home. She dreaded leaving the Jacksonville, Florida, school where she and others were being subjected to various tests by Walter Bishop, experiments intended to define and harness the powers granted these children of the Cortexiphan experiments, of which Olivia was a most prized pupil. Episode director Frederick E. O. Toye executed one of the most effective smash-cuts I’ve seen on TV when, just before the commercial break, an Olivia terrified by her father leapt across universes to escape her father’s rage only to be transported immediately back to her horrible reality and then an abrupt commercial. It was at once shocking and witty, this use of network-TV breaks as part of the structure of the episode, to make a dramatic point.

That point, sussed out by Walter over the course of the hour, was that “love and terror stimulates cortical action” — i.e., allows Olivia’s powers to kick in, in the ways we’ve seen adult-Olivia’s do. Up until now, Walter’s experiments and their effects on the children have been cast as cavalierly cruel, as though Walter was the distracted genius for whom the theory to be proven was more important than the feelings of the children he tested his theories on. But “Subject 13″ — Olivia’s number, its bad-luck implication the only on-the-nose detail in this marvelously rich script by Jeff Pinkner, J.H. Wyman, and Akiva Goldsman — revealed that Walter wanted the kids to cross over and take Peter with them, to return him to his rightful parents. (We were left to assume that this will come as some comfort to Josh Jackson’s Peter once he learns this.)

And the man we know as Walternate lived his own hell, his son gone and his marriage strained to a breaking point. This is the origin of Walternate-as-one-cold-dude — instead, he stood revealed as a Walternate numbing himself to feeling with grief and guilt and alcohol, the driven founder of “Bishop Dynamic” (and inventor of the Star Wars defense system!), wearing sunglasses to keep the world out, forever searching for his kidnapped son.

Thus did both Walters become, for this period in time, equals. And, at bottom, good men. It was only later, at the end of the hour, as Walternate said to Elizabeth with a grim determination, “I know where Peter was taken,” that we saw the beginnings of what would eventually make the men seem opposites, and enemies.

The hour also gave us a huge chunk of motivation for Olivia’s adult character. Is it any wonder, given her cruel step-father and a kinder surrogate father who nonetheless subjected her to frightening experiments, that she has so often been such buttoned-up, tightly wound, cold woman? Of course she’d have been attracted to that strong, protective slab o’ man, Mark Valley’s Agent Scott as a first love. It’s why Olivia has said she’s “not good” with intimacy. Olivia is still trying to escape this history of Olive, just as Peter has been trying to learn the history of young Peter.

The Fringe call-back (among many) that carried the greatest weight was when Elizabeth Bishop explained the origin of the white tulips Peter saw from their car window, telling her son a brief version of the plot of last season’s “White Tulip,” which featured Peter Weller as the tragic-romantic scientist. The tulips would reappear in Olive’s drawings, and provided the idyllic setting for the gravely lovely night-time scene between Peter and Olivia.

Here are a few questions to ponder:

• Why does Olivia not remember what we now see as a significant history with Walter?

• Perhaps you’ll tell me whether Olivia reading Mark Helprin’s Winter’s Tale (which would seem awfully tough sledding for a child) has any significance beyond its snowy title?

• What is William Bell’s role in all this? What did he make of all those Betamax tapes Walter made of his tests on Olivia?

Special praise to Orla Brady as Elizabeth Bishop — her performance was exceptionally fine, as she played anguish, frustration, and despair with a fine dignity and grace. Her infinitely sad delivery of the great line, “Sometimes what we have is not the world we want, but we have our hearts and our imaginations to make the best of it” can stand as a defining moment for the entire Fringe enterprise.

Or as the “other” Elizabeth Bishop has written:

“I live only here, between your eyes and you,

But I live in your world, what do I do?”

What did you think of “Subject 13″?

UPDATE: For good-ish news about Fringe ratings, see James Hibberd’s reporting: ‘Blue Bloods’ rises, ‘Fringe’ steady in Friday ratings

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  • KC

    Stunning episode. Great review!

    • Trenton

      I don’t think Peters Mom committed suicide. I think walternate killed her/had her killed. I think Walternate set up Walter to be in the institution, and killed his wife. Maybe I’m wrong, but she seemed convincing when she said, I will never leave you or let you be taken. Not the words of a future suicide victim.

      • Roy

        Disagree. The guilt of lying to her “son” and seeing him in such anguish drives her to alcoholism and ultimately suicide.

      • samara

        Wrong. The producers mentioned in a recent interview that Elizabeth indeed did kill herself.

      • Kevin Kirshner

        In the pilot Season 1 episode 1, we learn that Walter was institutionalized for a laboratory accident and the death of a co-worker.

      • Trenton

        I know…but how hard is it to set someone up? I guess he was mentally messed up a bit after brain surgery…so haphazard walter just suddenly messes up or he was set up.

      • Trenton

        Well my ultimate reasoning, something bad went down. Walter must have been on the verge of sending Peter back…and then to have his main assistant die? Her death has to be connected to Olivia and Peter’s memory issues. It would almost be Shakespearean to have Walternate do this to walter only to lose his son in the balence.

      • Leithen

        I actually think it makes the story more powerful if she DID commit suicide. If Walter WAS at fault for the lab assistant’s death.

      • Trenton

        Walter, even in his crazy old man ways, is not a bumbling idiot. I concede that the mother’s suicide is a powerful notion very tragic and somewhat fated. But do you really see walter making such a deathly mistake. He isn’t above taking risks, but always he is the subject of the risk

      • Anitamargarita

        Interesting theory, but I do know that if we get a Season 4 they HAVE to have a flahback episode what happened. It would have been 1990, right? I wonder what the opening credits will look like.

      • Francini

        If I remember correctly, the brain surgery was not done until after Walter went to the institution. We were told that Dr. Paris (Bell) was the only visitor Walter had.

      • Dicazi

        And drinking a shot of whiskey right after that conversation didn’t scream “guilty conscience” to you?

      • typeg98

        Dave – well said. Let the nerd-guments continue!

    • Jennifer TruthTeller

      GREAT review.
      Thank God Ken Tucker is doing Fringe rather than Doc Jensen.

      • Chris

        God forbid we should be given something to think about instead of pointing out the obvious.

      • locolukah

        Amen, “Doc” Jensen’s ramblings hardly lead to any deeper insights with LOST…just wishful thinking on his part that he knew what was going on. News Flash “Doc” They all go to heaven together!! >_<

      • Handsome Smitty

        Maybe, but…Jensen would know the significance of Winter’s Tale. The Doc would look for deeper connections for Fringe to the literary and philosophical spheres. He was quite good with LOST (although J. Woods was always the best), and may have petered out towards that show’s end, subdued by its simple yet beautiful message).

        But…to each his own. It’s all good. Tucker sticks to the threading of Fringe to itself, and that’s not bad either.

      • chase

        HORRIBLE Horrible episode… This is the reason this show will be canceled. P. Jackson needs to be in every ep. This episode could have been summed up in a 2 minute flash back.. BORING!!!

      • jinq2

        Jennifer, I feel the need to point out that *you* feel the need to point this out more often than is probably good for your mental health. Jensen is *NOT* reviewing this show. Lost is *OVER.* Please get over it.

      • Sean

        Agreed. Jensen’s Lost reviews were excessively lengthy and full of philosophical mumbo-jumbo.

      • Lindy

        I agree. Jensen was the last to know that Lost had gone down the tubes. But then, Fringe is a MUCH better show than Lost.

      • Dave

        You know a show has crossed over into insane nerd-dom when fans start arguing over who is a better recapper.

      • Grumpster

        Yep….Doc couln’t deliver a pizza, much less a promissed review (Doc…remember that part 3 lost analysis we were promissed last July, August, October and December that never arrived?) and served to do nothing but piss off a lot of people like me. Fire the bum.

        Ken…good job!

    • Sharlin

      and Ken Tucker thought last week this episode would not be great!

    • Delon

      Superb episode! Best Fringe episode ever! Loved every single second of it. The scene between lil Olive and Peter in the tulip field was like a movie. Excellent. WE SHOULD START THE CAMPAIGN FOR FRINGE TO GET NOMINATED FOR AN EMMY! Ken Tucker you better start banging the drum.

  • Ralph

    Best. Episode. Ever.

    • Melly

      ITA. This episode ruled and I loved it. Great recap/review as well!

    • Fish

      Loved the retro 1980’s opening theme. Worked perfectly with the flashback episode.

  • Rae

    What a perfect episode. The writing directing editing were all genius. I cant even praise the acting enough. The scene in the field between peter and olivia was moving. Made me cry! The emmys better recognize this show soon. This episode alone was much better than practically anything on television now.

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  • Tajah

    I agree. It was an amazing episode. The back story on Olivia’s history was excellently executed; she was the key that led Walter to hope and Walternate to destruction. Brilliant!

    This show needs to be renewed. Stop waiting, messing around, driving fans crazy. Renew it already!!!

    • Heidi


    • Erin

      Agreed!! This show is fantastic and the throwbacks in this episode were very good. Seriously, Fox better not make another” Firefly” mistake-RENEW FRINGE!

      • Tajah

        @Erin I kid you not I was just going to post the same thing, that Fox better not make another Firefly mistake! I dont think I could take it again!!!

  • Mark

    Quote: “Why does Olivia not remember what we now see as a significant history with Walter?”. BIGGEST question on my mind right now.

    • Gaby

      So do I not need to look at the first episodes to see what I thought I’d forgotten? We’re all in the same boat?

      • Mark

        Well, it’s clearly a big part of the story we’re missing right now and no, it wasn’t answered in earlier episodes.

      • Moz

        I was also wondering about Olivia not recalling that as an adult well as meeting Peter. I might have to go back to season one, but I thought that Olivia was much younger in the video that showed her in the corner with the rest of the room scorched around her… I guess they will have to show some answer for her lack of recall.

      • Trenton

        She could have been in Jacksonville for a while…like 2 – 3 years ish. Kids grow a lot in the early years.

      • Niix Starkyller

        The show has a long history of science (fiction) which tampers with memory. Not to mention any trauma, or the drugs, or her powers, or any combo of the above. I’m still curious, though.

      • Daisy

        I think that this question about Olivia is high in my mind too (and my husband’s). Our other big question is why doesn’t Peter remember either? He clearly “knows” at this point that his parents on our side aren’t his real parents; I don’t get the feeling that at the end of this episode that he started to believe their lie about his illness confusing him. I got the feeling that he was sort of just resigned to the fact that he wasn’t going to be able to go back to his world and clearly is faux-mom loved him. I would imagine that he would be old enough to hang on to this and to remember this, as well as his encounter with Olivia. It’s perplexing.

      • Shaun

        Gaby, while that specifically isn’t addressed in season one, I do recommend fans go back and watch the early episodes again. There was a lot of good foreshadowing/laying the groundwork/dropping hints all throughout the season. People who are new to the show should definitely go back and fill in the blanks of what they missed. Season one is much better than some people give it credit for.

      • Marion

        Shaun, I totally agree with you on season one that people don’t give it enough credit. I began watching in the middle of last season and I decided to get caught up with the first season. I saw this as advantage because I recognized so many little hints that were to happen in season 2 and further. It was cool to me that you could already start spotting the observers on the second episode.

      • Niix Starkyller

        Yar, S1 was an amazing hook. I was a bit underwhelmed by the pilot and thought it would just be another riff on The X-Files. But that season thoroughly hooked me with the quality of writing, acting, and production — and there ain’t been no turning back.

    • DB

      i think in Peter’s case, i can believe that he forgot because they convinced him that he was from here. but for Olivia, that’s probably where the writers took some artistic license in rewriting the show’s narrative…first with Olive being much older, and second, the location when Olive first lit up was different.

      I’m thinking that maybe we’ll find out later that the cortexiphan kids were drugged and brainwashed to forget being tested on? that’s what i’m guessing.

      Oh, i think the block puzzle that Walter gave Olivia in the anger test was the same one that Sydney Bristow was experimented on as a child in Alias… did anyone notice that?

      • Danielle

        I noticed that the test seemed to be the same one from Alias too!

      • Myprettypony

        I saw that too…but I did get confused and thought I saw it in fringe. Thanks for the reminder!

      • Pamela

        In ‘Bad Dreams’ Nick Lane said that he thought they meant for us to forget but he did not.

      • Kevin Kirshner

        I agree that it was either drugs or a combo of drugs and hypnotherapy. There are so many dots the writers have purposely left detached and undiscovered at this point. Also given in this chapter Peter although resigned of not returning seems to develop a personal understanding of being adopted and treating these Walter and Elisabeth as his parents although he knows they are not. As an adult we also know that Peter harbors resentment towards Walter for pain and suffering he caused a woman he last night resigned to be a mother figure to him but not his mother.

      • Carisa

        I shouted “That’s Sydney’s puzzle” when I saw it. Very slick, J.J. Abrams!

      • Jenny

        I noticed that, too! The people I was watching with haven’t ever seen Alias, so they thought I was crazy…

    • Roy

      Big question is right. Especially since it didn’t really need to play out that way. Walter could have been conducting the tests from another room and have someone else (i.e. Ashley) actually interacting with the children directly and then there wouldn’t be the issue of Olivia somehow forgetting her history with Walter as she got older. The standing up for Olivia was nice, but it wasn’t really needed. Or at least young Olivia didn’t have to actually be there for the confrontation. Now the writers have an issue I feel they HAVE to address at some point and I don’t see how they will be able to do it without resorting to some lame plot device like amnesia/brainwashing/mindwipe/etc. I wouldn’t accept that a child as old as young Olivia would simply forget the man who both experimented on her AND rescued her from her abusive stepfather. I have faith in the writers, though, so I’m sure they will make it awesome, however they address it.

      • mwc1108

        i agree 100%. I was under the impression that the cortexiphan kids were in daycare, i.e., they were preschool. And that Peter, when stolen, was 6 or 7. Doesn’t our Peter’s gravestone say 1978-1985?
        These children were much older and definitely old enough to remember the events around their meeting, if not actually meeting. How could Peter forget the little blonde who made it snow in Jacksonville FL? How could Olivia forget the doctor who got her stepfather to stop beating her (and start beating her mother)? they were way too mature.

      • Brian

        They already showed us tapes of Bell and Walter talking to Olivia, so the idea that she had contact with him as a child was not new to this episode. Contact with Peter, sure, but we already knew she had contact with Walter.
        They were designed not to remember through drugs or hypnotherapy.

      • Dicazi

        Olivia had forgotten the tests and the experiments period, let alone who administered them.

    • orville

      Didn’t they establish that the drug wiped her memory? She had little to no memories of the experiments in earlier episodes, so it wouldn’t be a leap that she doesn’t remember Peter either.

    • Nic.

      It’s a huge question that I’m sure the writers know must be answered. I’m wondering if the Observers will have something to do with the memory wipes….

      • Von

        Nic… you just might be barking up the right tree. Did you notice there was an OBSERVER watching Walternate as he walked into BISHOP DYNAMICS? I think one may have been behind everyone’s minds being wiped of this one single memory…

      • Trenton

        Observers seemingly don’t do things for humans unless it is because they messed something up. One had to essentially kill himself just to save a girls life.

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    • erin

      I don’t think it’s that unrealistic for a young child to not recall a trauma. I almost drowned when I was 5 and I don’t recall that. I do wonder why she didn’t have a “hey do I know you from somewhere” moment with Walter when she first met him.

    • darthwilson

      Yeah, walter must have done something to her memory.

    • allie

      Not only Olivia – why doesn’t Peter remember her? I can understand how he could forget being from the other side with all the brainwashing (I guess) but he is pretty old and aware when he meets Olivia and has a significant encounter with her. Nor did he show any sign of recognizing the Jacksonville school when he came back with Olivia last season. Why does Olivia seem so carefree in that school where she had been drugged and experimented on since she was a young child? Looking forward to learning the answers!

      • Trenton

        In a way you always got a sense they had an subconscious connection to each other. So willing to help each other out. Finding reasons to stay together…even before feelings emerged. It’s a lot like being in love with someone and not realizing it. Maybe they did recognize something in each other, they just didn’t know it

      • Meant for Each Other

        @Trenton… I agree. They always seemed to connect even from the first episode. I remember the writers saying that nothing will happen between Peter and Olivia and I thought that was impossible because they had a strong connection.

    • Shaun

      It’s a good question, but I think an even bigger question is how Peter eventually “forgets” the other universe for maybe two decades? He’s clearly aware of where he really came from in “Subject 13,” so something must happen later to cause him to forget.

      • OMG

        Another question….did Walternate purposely send Fauz-olivia to get her preggo wit Peter’s kid?? I mn that plan to send Faux-olivia bac was thought of pretty quick and we didnt see the build-up to that plan??? And also when he was experimenting with our Olivia earlier, did he remember her???

    • PJ

      I think it’s pretty clear that something happened to make Olivia and Peter both forget what happened in this episode.

    • lisa

      Why do both Peter and Olivia not remember there interaction at that young age?? I think there is some big surprise coming..

      • Orac

        You mean like Olivia and Fauxlivia swapping places as kids after this event?

    • G

      See, this is exactly why I didn’t like this episode. I hate when they revise history over the course of the show. I guess I’m not expecting a big surprise like some others, but I’d be glad to be wrong.

  • Dave

    Wow, this was a truly magnificent episode. The writing, the acting, the editing, everything was top notch. It was very emotional. The two child actors playing Olivia and Peter were so good. I already love Olivia as a character, and this episode made me love her more. I’m so glad we finally got to see some of her childhood.
    And I agree, my biggest question was how does Olivia not remember her time with Walter? I hope they have a good answer for it.

    • Love Olivia

      I love Olivia too. I don’t understand why there are some haters because she is one tough, smart woman.

  • Dave

    Oh, and someone help me out because I’m having trouble remembering. Before this episode, was there ever any hint or mention throughout the series that Olivia and Peter met as children? I don’t think there ever was, but I can’t remember for sure.

    • Leithen

      You’d think they’d BOTH remember each other. Most people remember things from that age. Peter doesn’t seem to remember even questioning where he was from. I think it’s no coincidence that neither remembers, although Olivia’s memories seem more haphazard. She seems to remember Jacksonville, but not. Ah, well.

      • MsSuniDaze

        I also think there is a reason why neither remember. But than again, do you remember that boy you met that one time when you were 13? No? Neither do I. I have a feeling this was the only time they met as kids.

      • Mark

        I have no problem with her not remembering Peter. She saw him like what, twice? It’s totally plausible that 20 years later she wouldn’t have a clue it was him in Iraq. But not remembering Walter? Very confusing. And a big plot hole for now.

      • Brie

        Yes, I think I would remember burning up a room in a school, running away to a field because I was afraid of going home to an abusive step-father, a boy finding me there and bringing me back, etc…but, maybe she remembers and doesn’t know the boy was Peter Bishop? Great episode, but there are questions left unanswered, for now.

      • allie

        For the average person, not remembering someone you met just a few times is no big deal but Peter met the one person who proved to him that his other world existed in her pictures and she met the person who helped her feel safe enough to talk about her step father’s abuse & create snow in a field of tulips for the first time so yeah, I think something is amiss here.

      • JDMB

        As MsSunniDaze says, you don’t remember a one-time meeting from when your were a kid unless it’s truly momentous. And besides, Peter never knew Olivia’s last name or anything to do with her presence at the school; and Olivia never learned Peter’s last name or relationship to Walter. The “mind-wipe” isn’t all that necessary…

      • Brian

        Peter did know her name. Walter said “Ah. The beguiling Olivia Dunham beguiles” when Peter first saw her.

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    • HolmesBee

      Well, these may just be coincidences but think of when Peter was able to calm Olivia down (just like in Subject 13 where Peter held Olivia’s hand), or when Olivia woke up the moment Peter leaned over, The infamous box scene comes to mind.

      • Brian

        The box is EXACTLY what I was thinking when she made it snow.

    • Idana

      IMHO you’ve got the right asnwre!

  • Leithen

    Look at you, Ken, dropping the poetic references.

    It was a very well done episode, with the only real weak spot of it being that it was demonstrative of how enclosed the show has become. For anyone who was viewing Fringe for the first time, it probably didn’t make much sense. I guess the more important question is, would they want to watch again? While it was a masterful episode in a larger construction, can it stand on its own? I don’t know.

    • Matt

      Why is that wrong? Would you expect someone to jump in the middle of a novel to understand what’s going on?

  • majamababe

    The final scene was awesome. I wasn’t really sure if we were watching our universe, the alt-universe or both.

  • Marion

    This was such an emotional episode, I think I teared up twice. I liked Tajah’s observation of Olivia’s effect on both Walters. I also thought it was interesting how Peter’s absence made the alternate Elizabeth stronger and willing to face her broken marriage whereas our Elizabeth became weak and wrecked with guilt from Peter’s presence. This was a brilliant episode that delved deeply into how these characters developed over time. I can’t wait until next episode, it’s looks like a fun break from the heavy plotlines. The previews made me laugh out loud!!! This show must get renewed.

  • MsSuniDaze

    Brilliant! I love this show so much. It is so well written and acted I wish more people would watch it. I Loved the twist when Olivia ran in to tell Walter the truth about her Step Father, and she was in the alternate universe. This show is filling my Lost withdrawals. I loved the 80’s opening credits too.

    • tipsy

      Ah, finally someone praising the awesome twist where Olvia blabbed it all to Walternate not realizing that in the state of anguish she crossed over. Sheer brilliance. The twist the episodes, just amazing stuff.

    • Brie

      That was a great scene! When Walter walked in behind her…the look of confusion on her face…wow!

    • Rosemary T. Wisniewski

      I was absolutely brilliant. When we meet Walternate in the series, we know he knows Walter took Peter. But throughout most of the episode he had no idea what happened to Peter. My husband called it as soon as Olivia reached Walter’s desk, but my head was spinning when I saw Walter come in and it didn’t really hit me until Walternate held the drawing. Wow!

    • PMD

      I have two fave scenes of this brilliant episode – the first was when Olive was running away from her abusive step-father – the look of her face when and then cut to ad – amazing. Some shows cut to ad right, Fringe and some shows don’t (thinking of Sopranos). Then my other fave scene was Olive telling Walternate about her step-father. Olive’s face. I think everyone on this show is beyond Emmy recognition – they need Nobel Laureates for being geniuses!!! My other fave story line was Peter’s mom. She is such a great actress, I wish she could be in every episode! I was really proud of myself for not crying in the episode but as it has been sinking in I find myself tearing up!

  • A

    At the end of the episode when Elizabeth told Peter that she is his real mom, but then broke down when he left the room, I actually had tears in my eyes, which rarely happens when I watch TV. We know Elizabeth ends up committing suicide, and we knew it was because of the guilt, but really witnessing the guilt set in was heartbreaking. This was so devastating to me.

    • Trenton

      I have this feeling she didn’t commit suicide. Walter was in a mental hospital…which is essentially a fortress. She was unprotected. I have a feeling she was killed by Walternate

      • Leithen

        If true, that would diminish the story in my opinion, making it less poignant. But your mileage may vary.

      • Trenton

        I guess in a way her suicide is more tragic…but there is more to this. If there intent was to keep trying to send peter back…why stop? Walter knew Olivia could do it…so there is this random accident that kills Walter’s main assistant? I don’t think the accident was an accident. Something stopped Walter from succeeding. So either Nina and Belle did it and had walter sent away, or Walternate did it. This lab accident wasn’t about toothpaste and it’s why, at least in part, Peter and Olivia are mementoish. I think they will show the episode where Orla Brady kills herself (or dies ;p ) b/c she is too talented an actress (famous over in the UK) not to have that played out.

      • Brian

        Didn’t we already meet the mother of the lab assistant who died? Walter seemed pretty sure that it was totally his fault.
        Olivia has no memory of the tests because of the tests; the kids weren’t supposed to remember. Don’t know about Peter though. Major denial maybe. haha

    • avidfan

      Yes, that was actually the most moving part of the episode for me, her grief and guilt at the same time, and the depth of feeling she had for a Peter who wasn’t actually her child. I wanted to love the rest of the episode, but it left me sort of “meh”. I agree with all the questions about memory loss – I don’t for a second believe that under normal circumstances either Peter or Olivia would have forgotten that time.

  • Tony

    FOX should give it the Lost treatment and renew it for TWO more years up front, to gain the type of momentum Lost gained

    • Zoe

      Lost premiered as a hit right from the first episode, and had a strongly-rated first season. (Actually, it lost momentum, ratings-wise, as the seasons continued.) I would love to see Fringe renewed for two more years but it’s a very different situation. With such a complex, continuing storyline, I can’t see Fringe gaining much more momentum–though I hope I’m wrong!

  • OneCharmingBastard

    By far the most important episode to the show’s mythology; stellar performances across the board, and if there is any Emmy love to be had, John Noble owns that statue (as does the woman who plays Elizabeth) – anyone else notice Akiva Goldsmith’s name on the script? “A Beautiful Mind”-level intelligence and human heart were present in this script (and are the best aspects of this show in general) – a four star masterpiece of an episode IMHO

  • Adam

    Great episode, great review.

    • Samas

      @MariSmithWow, thanks so much for dpopring by and adding a comment. You rock and you made my day!Olivia Mitchell is awesomesauce for sure and I suggest all speakers and presenters read her blog for great presentation tips.Thanks again Mari.

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