Nancy Grace has never struck me as a paragon of common sense, but sometimes all that free-floating anger of hers can be used for the forces of good… or at least to force Jon Gosselin to stop babbling. Last night on The Insider, Grace was on the show’s panel of interrogators. As Gosselin and that goofy, useless lawyer of his we know from his Larry King Live appearance sat groping for words, Grace let loose:
I like the moment when he’s asked about his kids and Gosselin starts in with the “I know I was passive, I know I was an avoider” jargon he recently learned in therapy. Grace just shuts him down: “Why is this always about you? Why are we talking about you? You were asked about your children.”
Silence. Skin-crawling, blank-stare silence from Jon. Then: “I don’t know — I thought you needed insight.” No, I think the term he was looking for was that he needed a sound-bite, to match what Grace was throwing at him.
Nancy Grace is a bully, to be sure. But, man: How dumb do you have to be to go on The Insider up against a whole crew waiting to tear you apart? Jon, stop the madness… or at least hire Kate’s agent so that next time, you get booked on The Today Show.
Maybe you feel differently?
I’m tired of Jon & Kate and think they’re lousy parents, but Nancy Grace is a horrible excuse for a human being. She exploits tragedy for her own ego, and yes, she is a bully.
Michi:
I agree with you 100% on both counts.
I second that!
I third that! Can’t stand the b i t c h.
Why don’t they stop talking to TV shows. Go back to be a real parents to their 8 children. Jon & Kate, are no body that special. Those kids need more TLC then them.
I fourth that!
I infinity this. In the Sleaze Derby, Nancy Grace is Secretariat. Jon’s a lump, but at least he’s opting now at least to not exploit his kids. Next move is yours, Kate, when you get home from your shift at McDonald’s.
Me 2 and 3.
Nancy Grace makes me sick with her loud mouth ass. She needs to get some where and see about her own children.
With her loud mouth ass? You aren’t exactly well-spoken, so let’s leave it to Nancy Grace to speak for the majority of the public. I love her!
I don’t know what majority of the public you’re talking about charlene
Charlene is full of it. The majority of the people think she’s garbage. Debra is perfectly well-spoken on the matter.
Sorry Charlene, as you can CLEARLY see, you’re one of the FEW who “love” Nancy Grace. By no means does she speak for the majority of the public. Nice try though.
The only people that like nancy grace are people exactly like her, people who try and be as loud as possible in arguments instead of actually using logic and reasoning. The fact that she is still on TV is very sad to me.
Nancy Grace is a total loud-mouthed bully Charlene. But why is this even up for panel discussion on TV? and then ew writes about it and then we take time to comment on it.
I’m not even commenting on jon and kate though. Just Nancy Grace. she’s truly a horrible woman.
I think she meant “loud-ass mouth” but loud mouth ass is even funnier. Everything that comes out of her mouth isn’t much different than what would come out of the other end. In fairness though, it’s nice to know someone told Spineless Gosselin to shut up.
agatha sorry to tell you this but you are a scum you must be trelar trash you act like a person whos very jealous of a very nice educator lady nancy grace takes care of her chikdren are sweet lilte angelsyou need to go and take a shower you stink agatha nancy you are a very nice lady thank you 4 all the help to the people who need you voice god bless you husband and you beautiful children thank you nancy 4 all the good things you do ttttttt4 those who need your help
I love Nancy Grace. She jit the nail on the head with her questions. Jon is so self absorbed, he can’t see how duplicitous his actions are. And, the lawyer, he’s just there for the bucks.
I can’t stand Nancy Grace but I agree with you, j collier-Grace was spot on.
I love Nancy Grace too. That girl who killed herself, well she knew she did something to her baby, THAT is why she killed herself, it had nothing to do with Grace.
We’ll never know if Melinda Duckett had anything to do with her son’s disappearance, or if she knew anything vital to help solve the crime. Nancy Grace browbeat her into committing suicide. In doing so, she obstructed justice.
Jon & Kate went on TLC because they couldn’t afford to pay for the children. Now that he wants them off the show, how will he pay for them? How will he support his children? Has he spoken about that at all? Selling pictures of him going out with one 22 year old after another? Would it be ok if Kate did that? Dated one 22 year old POA after another? Its clear that Kate was handling more than Jon could.
Finally! What I’ve been thinking all along. People that value Nancy’s opinion are just as low as the comments she makes. She is rude and abrasive. Her BIG mouth spills verbal vomit.
I just love NANCY GRACE!!!! YAY I am so glad she told that beetle bug off ’cause he is so self centered.
“And, the lawyer, he’s just there for the bucks.”
Really? You think so?
Standing up for victims rights is not exploiting tragedy. You need to shut the hell up. I love Nancy Grace and everything she stands for.
You’re obviously copying her rude way of interacting with people. Nancy Grace does not stand up for victim’s rights; she uses that platform as a ruse for exploiting tradegy.
OH HELL YEAH!! She isn’t liked b/c she tells the TRUTH and is a bully — she’s a no-holds-barred type of woman who will GO AFTER THOSE WHO DESERVE IT! She is a bully but she gets things DONE and doesn’t take crap. KUDOS to the Queen of Bitchiness! Nobody can say people can get over on her…
Rosanna has no class. Neither does Nancy Grace. That explains Nancy’s fan base perfectly.
Nancy Grace is one of the only few women who actually speak up loud for what truly is right! I will admit she does cut people off at times but never has a woman been more passioniate about victims rights. She’s strong,independant and won’t back down for what she truly believes in. Bully? I think not. As far as the Melinda Duckett case,no way this girl kills herself all because of Nancy Grace. That’s a joke. She’s the real deal and for all the insecure people who wish they could speak out like she does but just bash her are jealous. If only more women were like her,I bet domestic violence statistics would drop dramatically! Women with a back bone are always called out of control,loose cannon,and bullies. Men are usually called strong and tough. Give me a break! Nancy speaks loud and clear. Thanks Nancy.
You can be a strong woman, or a strong man, without being obnoxious, vindictive, and self-righteous. Don’t mistake making a lot of noise with actual results.
Really? Victim’s rights? Did you watch any of Nancy Grace’s coverage of Annie Le’s murder? The text streaming under the video had things like “Yale co-ed’s body mutilated!” Complete with the exclamation point as if that was exciting news. How horrible the victim’s familymust have felt watching that and listening to her speculate on a romantic relationship with the alleged killer. Nancy Grace is not an advocate for victims, she is an opportunist who exploits tragedy for ratings and she and her network should be absolutely ashamed of their behavior and insensitivity.
This is 2010… the media in general exploits everything! Are we not a strong enough society to handle the truth with reason?
In the defense of Nancy Grace, her intimidating, vivid and nail ya to the wall tactics are obviously based from her underlying passion and motivation for seeking the truth… she is a prosecutor… not many woman have the strength to assume that role! I only wish I had half of the novice communication skills she possesses, rude and abrasive.. maybe… but she uses those tactics on an appropriate as needed bases to uncover the truth with moral obligation!
FYI… if I was a family member of Anne Le… I would be grateful that someone was really trying to shake the case on my loved one’s behalf… tragedy is terrible, and happens everyday… we just don’t hear about them all… so how could you not see it that way?
Thank you Nancy Grace for having the spirit to do what you believe is just… regardless of the negative feedback you get from the intimidated who are afraid to go against the societal norm! Nancy, our country was founded on courageous spirits like yours! Amen!
Why is she a bully cause she speaks the truth she is REAL go girl
She bullied one of her guests into killing herself. She has been repeatedly cited for ethical misconduct by the Georgia Supreme Court, and had two cases overturned because of this (some victim’s advocate). She’s also lied about her fiance’s murder and committed plagiarism in her autobiography. She accused a man and his girlfriend of kidnapping Elizabeht Smart with no evidence. She’s real, all right. A real loose cannon with no impulse control or regard for the US Constitution.
She can only do that to people like Jon who can’t stick up for themselves. I would have verbally torn her up if she threw that crap at me.
Sure you would have……LOLROTF
really? What law school did you graduate from? and how many jury trials have you won?
Talk is cheap
Yep talk is cheap. And you are the biggest bs artist here. What college did you graduate from? I have a Masters. You probably don’t have an education at all.
If Jon couldn’t stick up for himself he should never have agreed to appear on Nancy Grace’s show, knowing how brutal she could be. Being as stupid as he is, Jon probably thought she would stick up for him. Every time Jon appears on tv he is hostile and defensive. He only damages his own image even more and makes Kate look better.They both should just go into hidin until they can work out the terms of a settlemnet. people are getting tired of He said, She said. I think they both stretch the truth. But Kate is smart; Jon is not. And WHO do YOU think will come out smelling like a rose? Jon needs to get better advisors. He digs himself a deeper hole every time he opens his mouth!
He had no clue how Nancy Grace is, because he has no clue, period. Second, I doubt anyone on here has the ability to “tear up” Nancy Grace. lol I don’t watch her, don’t particularly like her, but I wish I had seen this because even in just that little snippet, she said everything *I* would like to say to that deadbeat. The problem with so much “talk” TV now is most people just want to hear themselves talk and they let the most ridiculous statements go by because the “guest” said them. There is not enough instances of hosts/interviewers actually calling these people on the garbage they spew out.
Like I said, she spills verbal vomit!
AGREED!!!
I 5th that!!!
when i need to find a reason to go to sleep when I cannot i turn her on and boom Im a out like a light,
I really dont know who thought that she is this great reporter, when she cuts off the people that are on her side.
ohyeah on more thing she she so thinks that walking or talking all the time with a mean look on her face makes her better, but she looks like she hasnt had a good bowel movement in sometime, someone should do something about that.
Jon is mentally challenged and would be pi$$ing in the sink if not for Kate telling him what to do. Kate has always had the responsibility for the family. Jon was not working when the 6 was born, & got fired from his IT job. He is creating the only harm to his children by his behaviour thus the reason for getting the boot from TLC. It is time that someone called him down. He has always blamed Kate & anyone else for his failures. Today he started blaming his dad, until Nancy stopped him.
I am in complete agreement with you. Hardly anyone mentions that Jon was fired. He kept saying he quit his job to stay home with children, he didn’t quit, he was fired. Kate is the glue holding the family together. Jon is her 9th child. The only question I wish Nancy had asked was how did Jon plan on supporting his family if they were not doing the reality show? Jon really seems to love money and child support for eight children isn’t cheap.
Kate was an ovebearing control freak when Jon married her. They were lucky enough to grab the brass ring when TLC came knocking. But now they want the whole merry-go-round. Jon is, and always has been,a lazy, unambitious guy. If the big bucks hadn’t started rolling in, he would still be living with Kate, allowing himself to be emasculated everyday. Being “single” he has shown the world that he has the maturity (and hormones!) of a teenager. He is a big time loser. Because he is getting lousy advice from slick Willy the new lawyer, I have no doubt that what the lawyer doens’t get in fees Jon will pi$$ away within a year. And Kate, devious thing that she is, will be smiling all the way to the bank.
I find I’m resenting Jon because he’s being soooo stupid. Neither JorK is wonderful/horrible. They’re merely superficial people divorcing in the glare of the spotlight. No one looks good there.
But Kate is smart enough to know how to play to the crowd-even if she’s not a good enough actress to pull it off. But Jon! Man, if he had staid out of the bars and kept it in his pants for 6-12 months, he’d be considered a saint. I resent him being such an idiot.
Cameras or not, the poor kids have these people as their parents.
Totally agree. Nancy Grace is an exploiter to the max. I don’t care what she has to say. I do think Jon, Kate and the kids should be off TV at this point but Nancy Grace? She is the worst!
I so agree with you! Nancy Grace is a DISGRACE!!!
He’s going to support his family by selling milkshakes.
AAAAAAAGREED!Nancy Grace IS THE WORST!!!Yes Jon is as spineless as they come but,NG always beats on men because she has her little soap box provided by Cee you Next November T.V>Jon and Kate should both be put in jail and the kids be placed with people who DON’T WATCH NANCY DISGRACE,JANE DISMITCHELL or ROBIN”queenie”MEAD.All you whores should be stripped of your make-up and shown for your true ugliness.You provide nothing close to true jornalism.Jon and Kate are meerly the result of the mindless dreck that you and so many other “shows” sell to the small minded.Every person want to be famous and,every person is afraid of dying without leaving behind some sort of stain to tell all the world how important they were.Crap people beget crap people and,your crap shows do nothing but celebrate the fact that you are the queens of crap hill.Go sell more books to tell us all how to be more like you…nice work..!..
I totally agree
I agree 10,000 times. Nancy Grace disploits human tragedy for her own game. There;s one way to keep Jon and Kate off tv, and I’m surprised Jon has thought of it. Murder-suicide! And jon is just the type to do it. He is passive-agressive and his wife is a harpy.
gain, not game!
Haha. I’m usually so not into this kind of thing but ‘harpy’ is the exact term that should be used for Kate. It was a ridiculous premise for a show in the first place. If it wasn’t for the American consumer and the lust for celebrity gossip, these people wouldn’t have had a show in the first place!
They need to go take care of their children!
I love how she says “can’t he even speak without you chiming in” aparently he can’t speak without YOU chiming in Nancy!! I think he did a pretty good job of speaking up. He’s right…it does start with him…and Kate!! Nancy Grace is a BITCH!
Hindsight is 20/20. He didn’t realize it then..he does now!! Thank goodness! What do you want Nancy, who do you care about? Nobody, nothing, except your 15 minutes of fame!!
I hear you. I cannot stand her. She went after that guy who they though was responsible for the Olympic bombing a few years back. I remember her screaming YOU ARE GUILTY at him on the King show but never said a word of apology when he was exonerated.
jon is a ridiculous excuse for a man and Nancy Grace tore him a new one HA HA HA he so deserves it .
HA HA! YOU SOUND JUST LIKE KATE AND NANCY PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH NANCY AND KATE ARE BULLIES THEM SELFS IN THEIR LIFES.THEY ARE MENTAL ABUSERS OF MAN.BUT LET THEM THEY ARE GOING TO REAP WHAT THEY SOW,YOULL SEE.
I have been a faithful watcher of the Nancy Grace show but I have to say….but I have to disagree with her on this one….first of all she is going off the media and what she see’s on t.v. and magazines. She is actually starting to sound alot like KATE I think he should of moved on a long time ago…..Kate is a control freak but then so is Nancy Grace….I’m sure she is the one that wears the pants in her family. And if I was Jon and had to deal with Kate every day for 10 years….give this guy a freakin medal…..boo hoo nancy grace why don’t you stick to the legal facts there I noticed you completely bypassed his legal right as those childrens father…..aren’t you a lawyer???
are you kidding me Nancy Grace…..why don’t you stick to the legal aspect of your questions he is their father and he has legal rights…..didn’t you go to law school…..I enjoy the Jane Velez show so much more. At least she let her guests talk….how many times do I watch your show and you talk about yourself all the time and you twins…uuuughhhhh its okay for you to talk about yourself just not anyone else…..perhaps you and kate are related you both sound like controls freaks.
Thank God for Nancy Grace and people like her who look out for the little children. Love it, love it, love it…
IF I HAD TO PUT UP WITH KATE AND HER BOSSY AND OVERBEARING ATTITUDE I’D LOOK ELSEWHERE TO.
i actually like what nancy grace does. she may be a bully to some people, but those are people that deserve it. for all of you that say she drove the mother of a missing child to suicide…guess what…the police later said the mom did it! go nancy!
The police don’t know, and they never will because of Nancy Grace and her assault on that woman.
I quit watching Nancy Grace a LONG time ago. Her constant yelling and self-righteous indignation got annoying real fast. The way she milks human tragedies for rating disgusts me.
I don’t like Nancy Grace but she at least called out JOn on his bs and is one of the first to actually treat him like the sleaze ball he is. Way to go Nancy
Is it just me, or is Jon not that bad of a guy? I mean, sure he needs to keep his mouth shut sometimes, and not try and be in the spot light, but why doesn’t he have the right to divorce his wife if he feels its not working out. He was clearly mentally abused by Kate. Why should he stay? For the kids? Thats not cool. But if he abused her, physiclly or mentally, he would be in jail, and no one would have a problem with her divorcing him and taking the kids. I don’t think Jon is being treated fairly. Also, their family made over 2 million dollars off TLC, so him taking less than 10% seems fair, Kate clearly took a majority of the money and put it in a seperate acoount, and the $200, was all she left in the joint account.
I used to like Nancy Grace but over the years her show has turned into “beat up” whoever SHE thinks is wrong, talk about her books and her babies. She has turned her show into a infomercial for her profit and an easy way to go after whoever she wants. She is a horrible bully and Jon is public because “poor” Kate keeps going public crying….she only has one thousand dollars…how many Americans feel sorry she had 230,000 CASH in the bank. For the kids? They needed a mansion or a bigger house? She needs to maintain her assistants, free clothes, cars, training, body guard etc….neither of them is a great parent but Kate’s pr person is trying to trick the public. Thinking we are stupid enough to believe she is a completely different person
i wonded if nancy would talk to kate like that.nancy is this about ratings?shame on her.im not waiting anymore
Jon Gosselin is a sick sad excuse for a man, let alone a dad!! He can’t get a regular job because he is too famous? GIVE ME A BREAK! He is just so used to setting around on his ass, with a glass of wine, he could not bust a sweat if his life depended on it. Get over your dumb ass Jon! If Kate was smart, she would make your ignorant, full of your own self’s ego, get out and support your kids (the old fashioned way) by busting your ass to make a living, not riding on the paparazzi’s coat tails, you make me ill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe if all the shows stopped booking Jon and Kate they’d spend more time with those kids. Is this going to be their paychecks now…going from show to show peddling each other’s divorce antics? Pull the plug on Jon and Kate (including all these appearances) and give them a much needed shot of reality. I’m sure Octomom is waiting in the wings for another chance at her shot.
Couldn’t agree more! That’s just what I’ve been saying! Can the media just PLEASE stop giving these people air time?!
Hypocrites that we are. “Can the media just PLEASE stop giving these people airtime?!” Yet, here we are, eating this up right here on EW. Why else are you on this website, except to find out what Jon said about Kate, etc.? You didn’t mistake this for the WSJ, did you?!?
To Laura: I actually go to EW for “Entertainment News” not for Jon and Kate news. They are not entertaining to me.
to memi: then why did you click on the story and why are you reading the comments?
Good point stacy! People who are reading and responding are the reason why these stories continue. I will admit, I read these stories for entertainment. Not that I want children to suffer but because I’m curious and we all enjoy a good love/hate story.
Stacy WHY the Hell is it any of your business WHO clicks on here? Who cares what others say. Keep your opinions of others to yourself. I mean YOU are here, so you are no different.
Jon is the one going everywhere but home with his kids. Kate is where she said she would be, at home with her kids. Jon has been running around with women since the divorce.
You made one mistake with that Tina…. He’s running around but they AREN’T DIVORCED!!
I don’t feel sorry for Jon. If you don’t want your dirty laundry aired in public STOP going on these talk shows. I mean what did you think you were going to get with Nancy Grace, a tea party? LOL
You got that right!!
I totally agree… Kate’s on the Today Show (in NEW YORK) every week, plus her appearances on the View and others. They both need to go to the home state and take care of business, then form a united front and let TLC and the rest of us what’s going on.
It’s time to put J&K+(or minus)8 to bed. Playing out this divorce in the media is getting tiresome. Neither of them is being truthful. First,Jon says he only took $22,000 out of the joint bank acct. The next day he said he only withdrew 10% of their 2 million dollars+ earnings. I was never good in math, but Jon seems to be worse. Isn’t 10% of 2 million dollars $200,000? And there is no way I will believe Kate is destitute. She is too well organized and shrewd to be left holding the bag!
By sheer accident I saw one segment of Jon and Kate on the tube. I couldn’t believe how she treated him, nothing he could do was good enough for her. To demean your own husband in front of your children,not to mention the whole world. If you hate him that much, leave him.
Anyone, man or women that is verbally abused at every turn,like she did on this show,it shocked me terribly. If Jon was the way he was ,I believe Kate
made him this way.
When a person is told they r no good for nothing as many years as he must have heard these things, he believes he’s no good eventually. How many years has this man been abused by
her? I finally turned the channel and never watched again.
Now I cant turn off if I want. Their like the swine flu. Everywhere. Kate is a true abuser. I knew that from one episode!!!
@LindaLou…I agree totally!!! Everyone is so quick to bash Jon and this same group will almost always precede their “Jon bashing” with “I have never watched Jon & Kate Plus 8″ but…”
If they had watched the show they would realize this man has taken more brow beating from this woman than most men would take. I’m glad to hear that he is now in therapy for himself. Hopefully he will learn why he let Kate run over him and won’t repeat the same mistakes in the future.
I don’t think any man could be treated the way he was during the years he and Kate were together and walk away without all kinds of issues ranging from self-esteem to anger and more! I can thoroughly understand why he starting “living it up” and acting like a teenager once he got away from Kate. She controlled every aspect of his life, down to how much money he was allowed to carry in his pocket which was less than $10…that’s ridiculous! Anyone kept on a tight leash like he was all those years would react the same way…and anyone who says they wouldn’t do the same is not being honest with themselves.
Even when he was marching along, obeying all of Kate’s orders and being a good little boy like she expected, it still wasn’t enough for her! There was no making her happy, he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. I can’t imagine living like that day after day!
And everyone thinks Jon has issues??? The man was reacting to circumstances he was forced to endure by a tyrannical woman who is the one with some serious issues and needs some intense counseling. Of course she appears to be mother of the year “on camera” but that’s her public persona! I can only imagine what life must be like with her behind closed doors when the cameras are turned off…and that includes being both a wife and a mother. I would be willing to bet that the insane control issues she has shown the public via the television show doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of what the “real” Kate must be like. You know the public is getting the watered down version and that version of herself is sickening enough so I wouldn’t want to meet the real woman! And this “poor, pitiful me” image she is trying to sell these days is so unbelievable that it would be downright laughable if the entire situation wasn’t so sad…after all there are 8 innocent children in the middle of this mess.
Jon is the only one who knows what he lived through with her and what life is really like when the cameras go away…so first and foremost after getting himself back on track with his therapy, etc. Nancy Grace and others can fault him all they want for “everything being about him” but right now maybe it does need to be about him for a change. He can’t help his children until he helps himself first so it may sound selfish but he does need to focus on healing so his top priority can be focusing on the well-being of his children both now and for the future which is how it should be.
One last thing about Nancy Grace and all the others who like to jump right in the middle of Jon with the hateful comments, etc…I don’t see any of these same people taking on Kate! It’s easy to kick a man while he’s already down. But that makes everyone quilty of treating him like that a bully too, just like Kate…actually even worse than Kate if that’s possible since it was done on purpose.
If any of you want a real challenge, let’s see you take on Kate.
And leave Jon alone for a change so he can focus on himself and his children for a change instead of defending himself against a battle his wife should be fighting!
LindaLou I agree I think JOn is getting the short end of the stick because he’s not assertive and not good at articulating things. Kate was an abuser, but she’s got most people on her side because she can speak up for herself better than Jon can.
I have to agree with LindaLou. I have watched the show from the start; until last year. Kate has admitted that she treated Jon badly. She says she doesn’t want to get a divorce, so why won’t she go to counseling? Why does she charge $20 for an autographed picture of the family? She is not squeaky clean. When your own family will have nothing to do with you, you had better look at yourself. Those children are missing precious time with their grandparents, aunts and uncles. Look at what Kate did to Aunt Jody.
I think that Jon is doing a good job. I mean everyone is attacking him for living his life. Kate is the one that doesn’t want to go to therapy, Kate is the one that wanted more kids, Kate is the one that made the choices for 10 years. Jon finally stands up for himself and the world is tearing him apart. I support Jon regardless of all the man hating women out there that think that a divorce is clearly the mans fault. It takes two to make a marraige and two to break a marriage.
Lizi: What are you note sounds very good, but it all comes from Jon. Kate was the first to want to go to counseling, Kate was the only one to stand up and do anything about any thing they did. She’s not perfect, but he’s just become a lazy, blaming excuse for a man. He needs to stand up and be a real father and get out of the media. I love men, and I hate Jon. Jon cheated on his wife, spends money on his girlfriends instead of his kids, spreads rumors about his wife’s infidelity just to make money, and hasn’t worked a real job in years. And about the kids… they didn’t have in vitro… so it takes two to tango, and if he didn’t agree he could have prevented it! I hope that the kids are in counselling because they have years of repair to make up for the constant damage their father is creating.
Christi: I agree that Jon is a lazy money sucking louse. But he’s exactly the man that Kate has created over the last ten years. And if she was that vicious on-camera, I can only imagine what she was like off-camera. Don’t believe me? Take a look at pretty much any man that gets treated the way Kate has treated him – yelling at him in front of the kids, leading the puppy around by the leash, etc. The end results are exactly the same. The only thing that makes this surprising is that he’s behaving this way while knowing he has the eye of the public on him. Is that any excuse for his actions? Nope, and I won’t defend him. But you shouldn’t be surprised either. If Kate ever re-marries and treats her next husband the same way, she can pretty much expect the same results.
To Chris: quit blaming Kate for how this guy acts. He is a grown man. This guy does not take responsibility for his actions. Kate made him do in-vetro, Kate made him do the show, Kate picked on him and ruined their marriage… It goes on and on. You have to be a LITTLE suspious when a person NEVER takes responsibility for anything. It is said that people will treat you the way you let them treat you. He is a grown man, and his actions since they split have been ridiculous, but I guess you blame Kate for that as well??
Actually Lizi, it only takes one to break a marriage.
He’s not “standing up for himself” he robbed his children by stealing all the money out of their mother’s bank account. This has nothing to do with what happened 10 years ago – this is how he is acting RIGHT NOW. I’m a man. I don’t hate this jerk because he’s a man. I hate him because of his current actions.
It was a joint account and she wasn’t going to use that money on the kids. Who would of thought Octomom was going to the better parent.
It’s a joint account for the household for buying food, paying the heating, ect. He stole from his CHILDREN.
Yes he did steal from his children. If you have no money to pay bills, the mortage, etc… well the kids do eat and live there don’t they? THAT IS STEALING FROM THE KIDS MAKE NO MISTAKE.
@Cyberelf and all the others that think Kate is destitute!
If you believe that, I have some beautiful ocean front property in Arizona I would like to show you…
As manipulative and controlling as she is I will never believe that she left herself wide open to be left penniless and unable to pay bills or feed her children.
I bet she has money hidden that Jon isn’t even aware of. Probably enough for you and all the others believing her story to live on comfortably for the rest of your lives.
They recently bought a home for a million dollars and change! Kate had to know even then that there were cracks in their marriage. Their marriage didn’t get in this shape overnight so do any of you honesty think this woman who controlled every tiny aspect of their lives would have agreed to the purchase of such an extravagant home if she thought for an instant she wouldn’t be able to maintain it in the future for her children with or without Jon. Not a chance…she knew she had the means to take care of herself, her children and her million dollar home either way.
Jon knew then and knows now what Kate wants him to know about their finances and everything else. Jon said she got a million dollars for one of her books, she may have gotten 2 or 3…again, he only knows as much as she told him.
She didn’t control every aspect of his life and NOT control every penny that came in to their household so I will never believe this sad story she is suddenly telling.
And why is it just now coming up that she was left with a thousand dollars to pay bills and feed her children. I think I would have mentioned this when he bought his girlfriend the expense ring, or maybe when he was vacationing on a yacht in France with this same girlfriend or during one of his trips to Las Vegas or the Hamptons…but not a word!!! If my ex was out doing ANY one of these things while my children were doing without, you can bet I would have been screaming it at the top of my lungs. But she sat back and watched him doing ALL these things and never said a word even though she is extremely vocal about everything else!!! Not a chance, she is just trying to get back at him now because of the TLC fiasco. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all of this garbage hit the fan at the same time and anyone that does needs some serious help too.
Another thing that everyone is harping on is the fact that he hasn’t worked outside the home in several years. That too was Kate’s decision. She wanted him to stay home and help with the children after the babies were born. TLC came along and afforded them the luxury of both parents staying home so again he did what Kate wanted. She talks about this in her first book so it wasn’t like he was a lazy a$$ like some of you seem to believe and he didn’t want to work.
Most people would jump at the opportunity to do the same and still be able to provide a comfortable living for your family! Jon has mentioned going back to work during a couple of the interviews they used to do together during the show. Going to work was one way to get a bit of a reprieve from his demanding wife but any time he mentioned the possibility he instantly got one of those looks from Kate…which probably meant he got reamed once the cameras were off.
All you have to do is look back over a few seasons of “J & K plus 8″ to see that their lifestyle wasn’t suffering in any way by Jon staying home with his children like Kate wanted. The million dollar home, nice cars, etc. weren’t all afforded by Kate and her coupon shopping. His lazy a$$ must have been doing something right too whether she wants to admit it or not. Who stayed home with the children while Kate traveled all over the country promoting her books, etc. Just because he wasn’t blessed with a talent for putting words on paper, he earned his portion of the book money too by staying home and affording her the luxury of traveling to promote the book without worrying whether or not her children were being cared for the way she would care for them herself. That peace of mind in itself is priceless for a mother. So he did his fair share too and worked just as hard as she did.
Why is it when a woman stays home and cares for her home and children it is the hardest job with very few rewards, etc. etc. but when a man stays home and does the same job, he is a no-good, lazy a$$ that doesn’t want to work. Talk about a double standard!
I’m just sick of the people, especially men throwing Jon under the bus. Any man that had to put up with what he did would have literally gone “buck wild” once they were freed from that life.
If you were talked to like a dog in front of your children, out in public, and even on national television, allowed less than $10 a day for pocket money, couldn’t even make the smallest decision without your wife’s approval first and had to answer to her for every move you made and so on…but one day you finally had enough and left! If you can honestly say that you wouldn’t have done some of the things Jon did just because you could for a change then you have bigger issues than Jon does, for sure.
He was living for the first time in his adult life and yes, maybe he did let things get out of hand but I certainly can’t throw stones because I probably would have done the same thing! Unless you have lived in a controlling relationship you have no idea how suffocating it can be and therefore no way of knowing how you will react once you are free. So I don’t think anyone should judge Jon until they have walked a mile in his shoes…now, who’s going to be the first to volunteer for ten years with Kate???
To cyberelf: Bravo! To klaus: Are you KIDDING me? #1 – You have absolutely NO evidence of your assertion that she would have spent it on herself. #2 – They were under court ruling to NOT withdraw from that account. (Sad that a father has to be ORDERED not to steal from his kids and still goes ahead and does it.)
What are you talking about? Neither Jon or Kate are doing a good job. The public doesn’t know exactly what when on in their marriage.We only hear what the media says. Once married, in the courts, they are both responsible for the success and failure of their marriage.As you stated, “It take two to make a marriage and two to break a marriage.”They need to pay attention to their children and keep their dirty laundry to themselves.
Jon did not steal the kids money. They have a buttload of money in stocks and bonds for the kids. This was just a ‘liquid’ account to be used for bills and stuff.
Jon is caught is a bind since he spent so many years at Kates slave. He broke the chains and is making up for lost time. Unfortunately not making all the right choices in he process. Kate is just a mean, control freak that need therapy. But she is kinda cute so I’d shag her senceless…. if she’d shut up for enough time.
Support Jon you idiot! No it is not always the mans fault, but stats show over 60% the time it is. How do YOU know what Jon did or Kate did in their marriage? By what you have heard HIM say or what you watched on TV? None of us have any idea what really is going on behind closed doors. I am basing my opinion on what I see NOW. It is Jon going out all over the place, it is Jon taking money out of their joint account, it is Jon parading around with these 20 something year olds. His kids see this, yet we are to believe he now cares about his kids welfare? Right! We all know it is because they took him off the show why he is NOW doing this. He could have stopped this as early as June when they decided to divorce. He didn’t. You are right, he is heart broken, heart broken that he no longer has TLC as his bread and butter. That the tide is changing and not in his favor. Yeah you go ahead and defend and be behind a loser like Jon. What does that make you?
How do you know that Kate wasn’t taking money as well? In fact, she ADMITTED that she took money out to “hide it” even though a court ordered her to account for $400K. They’re both losers. and I don’t care who was right or wrong when or the intent behind it, but Jon is right now to say stop the show
She was “hideing” it because he was spending it like crazy back then. She feared what is happening NOW.
Oops, I mean “hiding”
Well, I don’t know what their marriage was like so I will not say Kate was a bully or that Jon is standing up for himself. All I can base my opinion on is that everytime I read something about Jon and Kate it is Kate who actually lives with her children and Kate is the one that I have seen photos of with the kids. I’ve only seen Jon with “girlfriends”. And I think (my opinion) that Jon is a jerk for taking that money, that money was destined for bills to pay for his kids’ home. If Kate did hide some of it, I don’t judge her because I would probably do the same. I would prefer to hide that money for my kids than let Jon spend it on some new girlfriend.
Actually, Jon was the one who originally asked Kate to go to therapy with him over a year ago and she refused, so he went on his own. And as far as timing, Jon has been in conflict with Kate to stop the filming since the end of last year’s season. Ive seen every episode and you can see it for yourself. Kate wanted their show to continue while Jon was over it and felt like it had gone on long enough. He wanted their life and privacy back. Guess who won that argument? As usual Kate got her way, and it’s been chaos and devastation for their family ever since. It’s Kate’s dream come true to have the show all to herself and how she’s a single mom raising 8 kids on her own (never mind the nannies, camera crew, free trips, etc). Jon has apologized, he wants to work things out with Kate, and he wants to stop the filming. I wish Jon could speak better for himself, but he’s had to compete with Kate who claims, “I have the gift of gab.” Jon is publicly admitting his mistakes and apologizing for them, he’s owning his faults and wants to CHANGE for the better and for the sake of his family. Kate has made no apologies and has played the victim card from the start. Kate wanted the divorce and the passive Jon said, ok. It’s great to see that he’s now fighting for his family and willing to face Kate to try and work it out! Jon is clearly stepping up to the plate now, while Kate is freaking out for possibly losing her precious show, “Kate and 8″. Get over yourself, Kate, and do the RIGHT thing!!!
Melody he is only stopping the show because HE was NOT going to be on it, how hard is that to understand? Hell if Kate did hide money kudos for her. I would not want my soon to be ex spending “our” money on 20 something year olds that he is partying with.
Gosh, I just love people who either make up things to support their beliefs or just post a part of a fact to support their beliefs. Melody, the ONLY reason you know that Kate took any money out of that account was because SHE TOLD YOU. And when did she tell you? In the same piece where she then explained she did it because (1) she was afraid Jon would do something like he did, and (2) that she put it back WHEN THE JUDGE ORDERED HER TO. Some of the first comments I read when the news broke about Jon taking the money was why KATE didn’t protect herself from him doing that! Puh-leeze. Spouses emptying the accounts on the other spouse is a time-honored sneaky separation technique. Jon wanted the divorce, he’s the one that left, he’s the one dating around the world, claiming to be “in love” thru all this, he’s the one now claiming he would like to go to counseling with Kate (nice timing), he’s the one who SUDDENLY cares about the exploitation of his children (now that he’s off the show), and he’s the one who took money out of an account he was specifically ordered not to touch. Nothing Kate supposedly did to him during the marriage (boohoo, he let her yell at him), justifies what he is doing now. This is NOT “standing up for himself” as all these silly women seem to think. He is the type of guy who LIKES not having to take responsibility, make decisions, PARTICIPATE, and then gets to blame the one person who is being an adult in the situation. He can blame his father all he wants – he may actually have a point there. But I have seen it too many times not to believe it: There are men out there who make their wives into “mommy”, refusing to participate in the tough parts of being an adult, just so they can then rebel against this mommy-figure they created. He obviously needs to grow up so much – and too bad he’s too stupid to realize he should at least be trying to grow up outside the public (and his children’s) eye.
I have to admit I support Jon as well. I watched only only a few youtube shows, but most of the time I saw a decent man yielding to crazy OCD woman. Ten years of that could probably make most men snap and asking for divorce a lot sooner. I think the media coverage has been lopsided against Jon, but its because mostly women reading gossip
Well, let’s see how well Jon can support 8 children!!! He didn’t do such a good job in that past. So let’s see now that he HAS to get a job to support them!
DOESN’T ANYONE THINK THAT JON SHOULD GET A JOB AND PAY CHILD SUPPORT TO HIS 8 CHILDREN LIKE OTHER SEPARATED/DIVORCED MEN DO?
Jon is naive and egotistical enough to think that he is going to be offfered a tv show of his won. Otherwise, he would not have insisted that his family stop filming, thus cutting off his only source of income. But the poor guy is as dumb as a box of rocks. Everytime he opens his mouth he digs himself a deeper hole. Kate doesn’t ahve to amek Jon look bad; he is doing a dandy job of that all by himself!
I can’t believe Jon Gosselin actually has supporters.
Totally agree. Regardless of who may or may not be telling the truth, he’s been running around with younger women and spending the money his children need for food.
Count me as anoter Jon supporter. She is a monster. She has NO relationship with her parents or her siblings. She pulled Jon away from his family as well. She even has alienated Beth her “best friend” who actually was the true author of the book she received all that money for. He is not saint. He’s naive an immature. But she is a monster. WATCH THE SHOW re-runs. ITS all there recorded. HE was the house husband as she preferred the book tours and spas and boob jobs and tummy tucks. He’s home been home with the kids on balance the majority of the time. She’s always had helpers and support doing the hands on work with the kids. Did you not hear yesterday she was out – having dinner (yet again)with her handsome married “bodyguard”. She’s no saint either. She just has a much better publicist and lawyer, so you actually believe she’s mother of the year when he’s been a far more caring parent hands on up until his willie recently decided to rule. At least he is acting sane in wanting to take the show off the air. She is exploitive and pathetic. Those poor kids. Anything gets to be a parent these days…. Sad.
I support Jon 100%. You know everyone talk about Jon running around with younger women. He’s like 34 not 74. He’s getting a divorce which means he is free to date. Also this whole Jon is spending money his children need to eat, the Gosselins are not paupers. They aren’t on welfare or something. Judging my their million dollar home they aren’t hurting for money. I doubt he drained their only account. Everyone just needs to let up on Jon. Everyone always thinks it’s the man’s fault in a divorce. I think if you watch the show, those kids interact more with the crew members than with Kate What does that say about Kate? If you want an example watch the episode where they did the backyard movie.
I couldn’t agree with you more Lizi! It takes two to tango my friend!
Are you serious he has been going out with how many girls not woman while his divorce isnt even final yet. What a joke..
Are you kidding? Jon only knows how to repeat others that tell him what to say! He cannot make a decision on his own. Poor Jon, he was abused, Kate called him names, it is always everyone elses fault, but his! He is the cheater, he has no job. At least she has a degree and can go back to work. She was a stay at home mom and why shouldn’t she be? She is a RN. He was fired, so now that he does not want his wife (or x) to work &/or make money he needs to get a job and start paying child support. Let’s see if he can pay the mortgage now. He cannot even afford to buy food for all those kids, but he sure can go out to eat all over the US! Have you ever seen him take his kids out? Nope! I do believe he took the money. How else could he travel all over, stay in nice Hotels, have an expensive apartment in N.Y. and a young girlfriend? Wait until she wants kids! He is a liar, loser & a whinning little jerk and a creep at that!
The only time Jon made his own decisions he decided to jump in the sack with anything that had a pulse! He spent money like a drunken sailor and believed all the hangers on who told him he was destined for big things. He is lazy, unambitious whiny ass who wants to get people to believe that everything is Kate’s fault.Granted, she is a bossy control freak. But nobody held a gun to Jon’s head for the last 10 years.He only bailed out when he knew he could fly the coop with a pocketful of money. And what did he do when no one was around telling him what to do? he proceeded to try to bang anything that had a pulse! Kate, as unlikeable as she is, has shrewdly handled this media blitz by being low key and playing the poor destitute wife card.Whenever Jon is interviewed he is hostile and defensive, leadingvieweres to believe that he is the one who is lying. He needs better advice than what he is getting from that slick Willy of a new lawyer. That low life will help Jon dig himself an ever deeper hole, but not before he takes all of Jon’s money!
Jon is clearly mentally challenged and does not care about his children. Jon can’t make logical decisions is why Kate had to direct him. Jon is all about Jon.
And what is Kate all about? That’s right, she’s all about Kate. They are both self absorbed media wh*res and they both need to be shot and put out of their misery.
If KATE IS SO SELF ABSORBED THEN WHY IS THE ONLY ONE THEM KIDS CAN COUNT ON 24/7.SHE WAS NEVER IN THE BARS,BRINGING MEN HOME TO SLEEP WITH WHILE THE KIDS R SLEEPING,DOING DRUGS,GETTING ENGAGED WHILE STILL MARRIED(lol). IF IT WASNT FOR MRS.KATE THEM CHILDREN WOULD B IN CPS OF THE STATE.PERIOD.JON CARES ONLY ABOUT JON.PRETTY LOW TO THROW A COURT ORDER JUDGES ORDERS & JUST WITHDRAW $$$,HE’S MAD HE GOT NO JOB & NO MORE TV TIME.END OF STORY. I NEVER SAID KATE WAS PERFECT BUT,ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.AND SHE STILL WAS WEARING HER WEDDING RING THRU ALL OF THIS HORROR.NOW THAT’S A CLASSY LADY.I HOPE JON HAS TO LIVE LIKE A BUM.HE’S THE ONE WHO’S EMBARASSING THEM KIDS.WHEN THEY GET OLDER & READ EVERYTHING THEY WILL BE DISGUSTED THAT THEIR DAD LEFT MOM FOR a 22 yr old meth bi-sexual freak! nasty ass ASAIN PIECE OF SH**
Hayley, if you want your words to be read don’t write in all caps, I and a lot of others don’t read posts in all caps, it is to hard to read.
She may not have been bringing men home but she is self absorbed and self promoting. Many times she left John home alone with the kids to promote her books.
So she was out promoting her books. How is that the same as him going like to Spain with his GF, being seen all over the media with different ones? Atleast she is making money not spending it.
I just love this – she wasn’t bringing home men but OMG, she was out promoting her books! lol lol Like it is equal! You think Jon didn’t support her going out to promote her books, which was just bringing in MORE money to the family? You guys are just a riot. If your source of income – your job – is to be a public family, promote your big ol’ family – then the “work” is to sometimes go out to, oh, I don’t know – promote. In this day & age, both parents usually work and leave the home. They were lucky enough to get a “job” where they both mostly got to stay home with the kids. Having one spouse have to go on a “business trip” is something many, many families deal with every day. Kate did not abuse her husband or her marriage by taking care of business.
100% agree about Jon ed. And Jonas; his actions are what keeping putting him on the “stupid tree”
Jon doesn’t care about his kids? Then who do you think was staying at home with them while Kate was out flying all over the USA? Why did one of the twins grab his leg and cry that she didn’t what to stay with her mom? I think the kids like him better.
It’s about time someone really put this guy on the hot seat. He has been playing the public for far to long with his poor little boy act. To bad Nancy wasn’t privy to a lot of the true facts out there about this guy. She could have really put him permanently in his place once and for all. Someone has to stop this jeck!! Kate comes out to defend herself giving out info that one would think would put this guy into hiding. But he uses it to be on the cameras once again. I hope other hosts go after this guy like Nancy did, but get all the serious info to really fire at him. Thank you Nancy!!
Nancy proved and Backed up what Kate was saying and Bitching About on The Show, and Talk Shows this whole time!
Jon keeps turning the questions on himself…Kate Married A Dumbass..and she realized it now, but playin victim is a low blow, just man up kate and take over the reigns it’s obvious Jon wants to live like Hugh Hefner, he proved it by runnin around and partying with 1/2 naked girls in clubs and having one niht stands with women and lying to them…Jon is alying S.O.B. Womanizer…if he cared about his kids future he let the show go one so no one winds up on state aid!
NANCY GRACE YOU ARE MY HERO… HAHAH
IN JON GOSSELIN’S WORLD IT IS ALL ABOUT ME ME ME AND LET’S BLAME EVERYTHING ON KATE… HE DOESN’T WANT TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS WHICH IS PATHETIC. HE WANTS TO HAVE A PITY PARTY FOR HIM. AWW POOR JON CRAP.
I AM SO GLAD THAT NANCY GRACE SHUT HIM DOWN. HE IS A CLOWN FACE AND FRANKLY HE NEEDS TO STOP GRANTING INTERVIEWS BECAUSE HE IS MAKING AN ASS OF HIMSELF. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT HIM…. HE IS SELFISH…
And Nancy Grace is all about Nancy Grace. She’s just as big a media wh*re as Kate. Talk about a blow-hard.
NO NO NO NO. Nancy Grace is a woman who will not be put off/take sh** from nobody EVEN FROM JON GOSSELIN.He aint NOBODY.PRETTY SAD IF TLC HAD 2 DROP HIS PATHETIC BUTT,Nancy grace did everyone a favor & TOLD HIM TO WALK THE WALK OR SHUT UP.HILARIOUS!!!!!!! WOMEN REGARDLESS WHO THEY ARE WON’T PUT UP WITH A SO CALLED “manboy” saying one thing but,doing another. He’s so PATHETIC HE HAD TO BRING HIS “LAWYER” WHO ISN’T EVEN A LAWYER! TOO FUNNY.JON GOSSELIN ATTN: YOU’RE A BIG LOSER. KATE IS A CLASS ACT AND A MOTHER. UR A LOW DOWN NO-GOOD 4 NOTHING PIECE OF GARBAGE WHO NEEDS TO QUIETLY GO AWAY.YOU JUST KEEP EMBARASSING YOURSELF.PLEASE LEAVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PRIDE!HANG IN THERE KATE WE C THE BIG PICTURE HERE!
If you want your words to be read don’t type in so many caps.
to sdm: don’t worry about the all caps. If you don’t like it, don’t read it but it’s REALLY not that big of a deal.
I love Nancy Grace taking it to the narcissists, especially the slimy lawyer. I think she hit the mark on every shot. She can cut through simpleton bs like no one else. She’s my kind of bully.
I agree with you 100%.
Stop paying these fools money! Don’t book them on your show. If they are on a show – DON’T WATCH. End this madness.
Agree!!!
Go Nancy!
Yeah! Go AWAY Nancy Grace! God I hate her.
Jon needs to grow up and grow a pair. He is a father, he has 8 kids. He’s not a frat boy. Give up the Pennsylvania strip mall bar groupies, Jon. Drop the skanks. Get a job. You are not a celebrity, you are Joke of the Week and this time next year, you won’t be eating at the Ivy, you’ll be applying for a waitperson job there. Go back to Kate. Tell her you’re sorry. Be the Dad you intended to be. You’ll be much happier. (That is, if Kate will have you…)
Nyi-Nya, you are right — he needs to grow back the pair that has withered away over the last ten years. But he needs to do it right. Yes, he should apologize to Kate for his behavior. However, he should also make it clear that he won’t be treated like her dog anymore — he will be part of the decision making and if she yells at him and insults him she can expect a like response. That attitude might make a reconciliation impossible, but it should at least earn him a little respect and the right to “be a Dad”. Going back to the “underling” role isn’t going to build a lasting relationship, and I can assure you that he won’t be any happier back in that role than he is with the way things are today.
Just read that Jon cleaned out $200,000 from the family joint checking account. left a grand in it. around my part of the country, that kind of behavior gets you time for contempt of court. states vary, but in some, you can sit in stir until you satisfy the judge, or until they retire.
why do you believe this crap? kate victim gosselin finesse’s the truth once again and you blindly believe. She’s taken away these kids grandparents and has driven away their father and continues to lie, and you guys eat it up….
Even if all the things you say are true, CMF, it does not give Jon the right to steal his family’s money and to leave $1000 to take care of his kids. HIS KIDS. He has the money, maybe she should just go drop the kids off at his fancy apartment and let him BE A FATHER. Driven the father away – OMG, that is like the definition of NOT-A-MAN.
Great job Nancy Grace!! Someone is finally calling him out! He’s so self consumed and selfish, I’m glad he’s getting whats coming to him!
Why is Jon in LA? larry king was last thursday and he is still here. At least when Kate does her speaking book tours she is not talking dirt about you. She is earing a honest paycheck. Give up Jon any fan of the show knows your are a child who if you have anything to say about will have the state of PA supporting you kids.
Jon was in LA to create a milkshake in his name, hang out at 2 luxurious hotel lobby bars looking for women and telling those he talked to that he’s bigger than Paris Hilton! He trashed Kate to 3 women and they totally ratted him out. Then he went to the Ivy for lunch and paparazzi time. He wants to do this divorced dads show with Michael Lohan (Lindsay won’t even talk to him and she’s not a beacon of common sense)and TLC won’t let him out of his exclusive contract to do it. So he pulled the plug on his and his family’s bread and butter. He’s a loser and always will be. I say let him go TLC because no one will watch his loser show and he’ll be on the street before you know it. Kate had 9 kids. she hasn’t been caught with boy toys, buying mercedes(which Jon did in early Sept), four-wheelers, tractors and driving drunk. He has and his action speak louder than his words.
i agree, he made bad error on going against nancy grace. but hey we all know what she’s about. she used to be a prosecuter, i’d hate to be her kids getting in trouble growing up. lol. divorce is always nasty no matter what anyone says, it’ll all clear itself. who’s to say this isn’t all for ratings either? i mean isn’t the whole show scripted.
I cannot think of three people less worthy of our time then Grace and the Gosselins.
Well put.
YES!!! They’re all the worst.